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Mallory, Kelly, Emma, Bianca and Fabiola, you treated us like gods and goddesses today, thank you so much! To Mitch and John, thanks so much for bringing a little of Greece to us today. Haley, thank you for making our day "sweeter". Stephanie and Mark, thank you for using technology to enhance your lesson. To the rest of the class; thank you for your cooperation!
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The encounter between Nestor and Patroclos does more than present another glimpse of life behind the lines with Achilles and Patroclus: it also...
It also teaches Patroclos that he can be his own person. Alo that Achilles may have physical power over him but Achilles can't control what kind of person that Patroclos is.
Haley Young and Mitch Spaulding
Ohana means family, family means no one is left behind- mitch
The encounter between Nestor and Patroclos does more than present another glimpse of life behind the lines with Achilles and Patroclus: it also...
It also shows us that you should listen to your elders because there wise. When you need advice you always go to a elder because what we said before that there wise so you should always go to them. Alex McDonald,Zac Abid,Jon Van Ess
The encounter between Nestor and Patroclos does more than present another glimpse of life behind the lines with Achilles and Patroclus: it also...
Shows how Nestor relates to Achilles in a way. He tells a story about a battle he had gone through when he was young, and you get to see that he was an extremely strong warrior. You also get to see how Nestor found Achilles and Patroclos. To us, Achilles sounds extremely different back then than he does “now”. He was extremely eager to go into battle, unlike now. You also see what Patroclos’ duty was. He was basically sent to keep an eye on Achilles and to give him advice, but he’d forgotten that until Nestor reminded him.
-Maddie Hoffman and Caitlyn McGlynn
The encounter between Nestor and Patroclos does more than present another glimpse of life behind the lines with Achilles and Patroclus: it also...shows that nestor is very intelligent to see that the achaeans were desperate to have achilles back and that the trojans fear achilles for his skill.
Hanna Shih 3rd hr
The encounter between Nestor and Patroclos does more than present another glimpse of life behind the lines with Achilles and Patroclus: it also...
Shows that achilles is a better friend to Patrocolos. We think that nestor is only using Patrocolos because he has a lot of experience working with the Achaean army.
Nestor wants the best army and defeat the Trojans. In a way its a good friendship because Nestor is the head of the Achaean Army and since Patrocolos is helping Nestor. They would probably never betray eachother.
-Gabriela Guzman
-Alexis Vanotteren
The encounter between Nestor and Patroclos does more than present another glimpse of life behind the lines with Achilles and Patroclus: it also... shows how awesomely smart Nestor is, because the Achaeans needed a boost in morale and Achilles still won't fight, so Nestor got Patroclus to stand in by proxy because they look alike, but we also know it backfires because of the movie clip since Hector slays Patroclus thinking he is acchiles.
Joel VanDyke/Steven Collison
3rd hour
Thinking about this question and reading through the book was kind of confusing but giving it some thought we came up with a plausible answer people gave Achilles advice to start the war and they are Persuading him to keep it going and to have all his warriors keep fighting. Which makes us think that someone else wanted the war to start and puts a whole new view on what we thought the book was about.
Emily Bennett and May Hogan
The encounter between Nestor and Patroclos does more than present another glimpse of life behind the lines with Achilles and Patroclus: it also...
shows that they will try anything to do well in a battle. Since they want Patroclos to dress up in Achille's armor so that the Achaeans would get a boost of confidence, having a great warrior at their side. The Trojans would be fearful seeing "Achilles" join the battle and probably be easier to conquer. Especially if it was the real Achilles in his own armor, and not Patroclos...since most likely Achilles is a superior warrior.
-Hannah Tripp
-Jharid Boosamra :)
haley and mitch- good answer, but you probably could have elaborated more.
alex, zac, and jon- thats true, but its kinda vague.
caitlyn mcglynn!
COMMENTING ON HANNA SHIH:
We think you could of described your opinion more. It was a good point, but maybe if you take more time to analyze the question, it'll be better.
COMMENTING ON MADDIE HOFFMAN AND CAITLYN MCGYLNN:
We like how you really described what you thought the answer was. And we totally agree with you. You make a good point and support your answer with details. Great job!!
Haley Young and Mitch Spaulding
The encounter between Nestor and Patroclos does more than present another glimpse of life behind the lines with Achilles and Patroclus, it also gives us a glimpse of the connection between the main characters. When Nestor tells Patroclos a story, he reveals to us how Achilles and Patroclos were recruited. That’s the thing with Nestor, he’s old and wise so no you cannot contradict him. Don’t even try! Aside from the connections these people have, we also see how they interact with each other.
-Alison Robinson/ Maria Gonzalez
Comment to Mitch: we have no idea why you quoted that one disney movie about the alien thing. Seriously, just do your work.
Comment to Alex, zac, and Jon: There were 3 of you and only 2 sentances. I think you could have done more than that! jharid says i bet zac did all the work.
jharid boosamra
Hannah tripp
Mitch and haley:
we like the fact that you wrote ohana means family and family sticks together although has no connection to the iliad. also your view over the talk between patroclos and nestor is totally different than ours. but it's still right good view! :D
Alex McDonlad Zac Abid Jon Van Ess
Just because they're elders doesnt mean they're wise. They could have ehlsheimers. But good job anyways
MAY HOGAN AND EMILY BENNETT!
The encounter between Nestor and Patroclos does more than present another glimpse of life behind the lines with Achilles and Patroclus: it also...
We think that it would also show the way that Achilles felt he was supposed to be praised like a god. He wanted, in our opinion, the achaean people to be in desperate need of him before he would actually go down and fight among his people just for the sake of his pride.When he seen the man coming in that looked like the surgeon Machoan, he thought they they weren't actually desperate enough. But we think that they were because after Nestor asked Patroclos to convince Achilles to come down and defend his people. he decides that it is better to just watch Agamemnon fail without him.
I am talking about Haley Young and Mitch Spaulding. I think it was right on the spot. I think that because it came from a diffrent point we can from. I will also commenting and Jahrids good job. -Alex McDonald
Mitch Spaulding and Haley Young
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In the story Achilles is bossing Patroclos around and telling him to do his work for him. Nestor notices and tells him that he is his own person and is more powerful in the mind than Achilles is. This will help Patroclos in his life because it will open doors for patrocols to be his own person and stand up for himself. it is a basic life skill that Nestor has told him, but it is probably one of the most important skill.
To Whitney and Jazzy
i didnt even think of that as a reason,-good job
To Hanna Shih
I agree with your main point. It crossed my mind when we were doing the analysis in class but i didn't think to add it.
-Alison Robinson
Emily and May
I can see where you're answer is going. But it's a little fuzzy.
Haley and Mitch-
Nice one. I hadn't thought of it. But it seems true to a certain degree. Good job!
Commenting on mitch and haley
Very nice your answer is spot on.
Commenting on hananah shih
Great answer you were very detailed.
Jon
commenting on hannah shih:
good answer! but add more of what you think.
commenting on hannah tripp and jharid b:
Good Job. You both explained what you thought very well.
ALEXIS VANOTTEREN & GABY GUZMAN
to haley and mitch: i really think that you guys don't explain yourselves very well so it doesn't really make a lot of sense.
maddie and caitlynn: I like your answer we hadn't even thought about that.
Whitney Burney
comment to whitney and jazzy:
i really like your answer! i probably never would've thought of it like that.
comment to hanna:
you definitely have a really good point, but i think that you could've elaborated a little bit more. prove your point a bit more, you know what i mean?
-maddie hoffman
The encounter between Nestor and Patroclos does more than present another glimpse of life behind the lines with Achilles and Patroclus: it also...
shows how the men in the same camp and army where afriad of each other. Achilles told Patroclos to go see how his comrade was doing. When he got to the tnet of Nestor, Nestor seemed really relaxed and told Patroclus to sit down and have a drink. Patroclus though, seemed scared to and told him how Achilles had sent him. It seems that he is nervous about crossing Achilles.
He also talks about how Achilles is kind of mean and how so many people are scared of him. It shows how fear is installed within the different armies, even though they are supposed to be closer than brothers. Funny how a group of loyal people still have a pecking order, so to speak.
-Savannah Smith
Comenting on Whintey and Jazzy:
I loved your answer! It was really original and made alot of sense. It wasn't sconfusing at all and I loved it.
commenting on haley young and mitch spaulding:
I don't really understand what you mean by your answer, so could you elabroate more please?
-savannah
(( I was in a group with Savannah but didn't finsih, so the first part is the same))
The encounter between Nestor and Patroclos does more than present another glimpse of life behind the lines with Achilles and Patroclus: it also...
Shows how they lived in luxury when they were not fighting. But, it also shows how even though you might be a higher command than someone else, they inflict fear upon their comrades. On the other hand, it also shows how they seem to gossip and talk about their comrads and what's going on. Not only that but it continues to proove how wise Nestor is and how he helps and supports his fellow Acheans, as Patroclos was not comfortable because he was somewhat fearful of Achilles, but I guess this is what keeps them all in line, fear.
--Andrea Stewart
To: Whitney and Jazzy
Haha, yeah you two pretty much just spelled it out. Achilles's behavior is pretty childish. He is supposed to be a great man, he should be the better person and just get over it for the sake of his fellow Achaeans.
We think that it would also show the way that Achilles felt he was supposed to be praised like a god. He wanted, in our opinion, the achaean people to be in desperate need of him before he would actually go down and fight among his people just for the sake of his pride.When he seen the man coming in that looked like the surgeon Machoan, he thought they they weren't actually desperate enough. But we think that they were because after Nestor asked Patroclos to convince Achilles to come down and defend his people. he decides that it is better to just watch Agamemnon fail without him.
--Andrea Stewart
Maddie and Caitlynn,
Good point, I didn't think of that
Emily and May,
I get what you were getting at, but at the same time I don't.
Joel V.D. 3rd
The encounter between Nestor and Patroclos does more than present another glimpse of life behind the lines with Achilles and Patroclus: it also...
It shows that Nestor understands how it feels to be in Achilles' position.
Nestor goes on for paragraphs, recalling his days as a warrior. He then transitions to Achilles as a lad, being eager to fight whenever he could, then to the present Achilles. He thinks that Achilles is unforgiving and selfish, asking Patroclus to go into war and renew the flame of motivation.
~De'Andreah Hollowell
COMMENTING ON ALISON R. AND MARIA G.:
Nicely put. You did a nice job of connecting Nestor w/Achilles.
COMMENTING ON HANNA SHIH:
Your's answer is very vague. It lacks in detail and depth. Overall it doesn't seem finished, sorry.
~*De'Andreah Hollowell
Commenting on Haley Young and Mitch Spalding
I think your answer is partially true, but not completely.
Commenting on Maddie Hoffman and Caitlyn McGlynn
Good job on your answer, its very well thought out.
Zac Abid.
The encounter between Nestor and Patroclus does more than present another glimpse of life behind the lines with Achilles and Patroclus. It also shows that Patroclus can do more than just follow orders and that it shows how Achilles and Nestor are somewhat the same. Patroclus is originally just a messenger, but then Nestor tells him a long story and Patroclus leaves. Then, he sees an injured comrade and decides to help him instead of immediately rushing back to Achilles. He is rebelling in a way.
Also, it shows how Nestor and Achilles are the same. They both fight battles at a young age. Also, they both got angry, but Nestor decided to still fight. On the other hand, they are very different. Nestor decided to fight whereas Achilles is sitting on his butt being lazy.
--MEGAN CRAWFORD
COMMENTING TO SAVANNAH SMITH:
I really liked your answers. They were different than mine, and they showed that you put a lot of thought into your answer, that you didn't just pick the obvious meanings. Good job :)
COMMENTING TO DE'ANDREAH:
You're answers were very brief, but right to the point. Maybe try adding a BIT more detail, without making it wordy? But it was still a great answer :)
--MEGAN CRAWFORD
It also goes into the fact that Patroclus is his own person. In the past books where he is mentioned, he is portrayed as a servant. When the envoy goes to try to persuade Achilles to rejoin the war, Achilles tells Patroclus to, make a dinner, get something to drink and to make a bed for the elder. Not even reluctant, he goes to begin all his work. Later, we can now infer by what nestor says that Patroclus is actually older than Achilles. Nestor also says that Patroclus should talk to Achilles for Achilles should hold respect for him.
RUEBEN MUSONDA
The encounter between Nestor and Patroclos does more than present another glimpse of life behind the lines with Achilles and Patroclus: it also...
teaches that you should listen to people who are older than you because they are wiser and have more experiences than you have. also that well achilles was more different back then like all glorious and eager to fight but now it sounds like achillies is just calming down a bit.
Abigail Miramon
the encounter between Nestor and Patroclus does more than present another glimpse of life behind the lines with Achilles and Patroclus it also says:
That Achilles is one of the Achaeans best fighter and that they need him or at least his presents so they will fear him. but also that even if someone is bigger and tougher that you are that sometimes you can stand up for your self.
comment to Alex McDonald,Zac Abid,Jon Van Ess: you guy said the same thing over and over again and u guys need a little bit more detail.
comment to Emily Bennett and May Hogan: i thought that your answer was well do i can see you guy thought about it nice job.
josh briones
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